[President Rich]

"...a not terribly dangerous virus in and of itself..."
"...it lacks signs associated with 1918 pandemic strain..."
"...say there is a shortage and people tend to line up more..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImeSieEZDdU

Members of the CFR have dominated presidential administrations and the media since the early 20th century. The goal of its most powerful members is the establishment of a world government.

[[lexus]]

Ok, I have a hard time not to laugh real hard right now.

Thats your proof? A youtube video? A youtube video that isnt even much more then a powerpoint presentation with sound? Oh wait, it has pieces of video. Where they intervieuw normal people who know nothing about it. Hell, its just old recordings cut up and re edited so it sounds like something you wanna hear. Everyone can do that.

Thats not evidence. Thats just a joke. The entire thing is a joke.

[Btmangan]

Well it's clear that the H1N1 flu doesn't deserve anything close to the hype it's getting. The kill rate is just about equal to the regular flu.

Only reason why I think the stations are hyping it is for ratings or to get money to big Pharma. There's no rational reason to hype it this much.

And talk about making vaccines mandatory is sickening to my libertarian sensibilities. "Let us inject you with something for your own safety" is just about as bad as precedents can get.

[lord_iske]

Originally Posted by [lexus]

Ok, I have a hard time not to laugh real hard right now.

Thats your proof? A youtube video? A youtube video that isnt even much more then a powerpoint presentation with sound? Oh wait, it has pieces of video. Where they intervieuw normal people who know nothing about it. Hell, its just old recordings cut up and re edited so it sounds like something you wanna hear. Everyone can do that.

Thats not evidence. Thats just a joke. The entire thing is a joke.

I have to agree here, that video did not have a shred of creditability to it. As lex said anybody including myself could make a video like this on a home computer and put it up on youtube. Hell I could make a video saying H1N1 was created by evil alien monkey people and put that on youtube, that does not make it true.

I am dissapointed resident rich, normally even tho I dont agree with almost everything you say you do a decent job of protraying your postion, but this video is as lex said little more than a joke and I had expected better of you .

[Btmangan]

Originally Posted by lord_iske

I have to agree here, that video did not have a shred of creditability to it. As lex said anybody including myself could make a video like this on a home computer and put it up on youtube. Hell I could make a video saying H1N1 was created by evil alien monkey people and put that on youtube, that does not make it true.

I am dissapointed resident rich, normally even tho I dont agree with almost everything you say you do a decent job of protraying your postion, but this video is as lex said little more than a joke and I had expected better of you .

What... does something have to be endorsed by big pharma before you'll give their words a second of thought?

I don't believe that the vaccines were created with the intent to harm people... but exploiting the masses for vaccine profits and setting "forced vaccination" precedents are two serious blows against American liberty.

Also, a good point is made in that the CFR is an illegal and anti-democratic institution. It attempts to govern American policies without any accountability and without transparency.

[lord_iske]

Originally Posted by Btmangan

What... does something have to be endorsed by big pharma before you'll give their words a second of thought?

I don't believe that the vaccines were created with the intent to harm people... but exploiting the masses for vaccine profits and setting "forced vaccination" precedents are two serious blows against American liberty.

Also, a good point is made in that the CFR is an illegal and anti-democratic institution. It attempts to govern American policies without any accountability and without transparency.

I agree that pharm companies will hype things up to sell more vaccines but that is not the issues here. The anti-vaccines people claim that vaccines are just as if not more harmfull than the things they are supposed to protect against and that is not true. I myself being in the military get vaccines all the time including the H1N1 vaccines and have never had any problems because of it nor has anybody in the unit had issues. You would think that out of over 250 guys getting the shot somebody would show signs of ill effects if they where as bad as people claim. There is also no real evidence that this virus was created by the government or anybody else as prt of some kind of plot like some people claim.

And yes they will need to do better than a youtube video to make me think otherwise.

[CSA]

whoa... i cant say anymore...

seriously... a few weeks ago, i heard a few people in here are died... and my brother's friend's girlfriend has h1n1 flu and still at hospital...

so is it better to not take h1n1 shot and or let hers to die?

[Merry1]

I don't think so, the H1N1 flu has really cause many people die~~ and it says it;s hard to cure~~in popular anxiety

however, what gov said, i think is not believable

[[lexus]]

Originally Posted by Btmangan

Well it's clear that the H1N1 flu doesn't deserve anything close to the hype it's getting. The kill rate is just about equal to the regular flu.

Only reason why I think the stations are hyping it is for ratings or to get money to big Pharma. There's no rational reason to hype it this much.

It was the World Health Organization that started the hype. If they hadnt say anything the news stations would have never picked up on this.

And there is a good reason why they hyped it so much. This virus does have the potential to cripple the entire country if we arent carefull. Much more then a regular flu. We dont have any natural immunity against this, so if you get it, youre likely going to be sick. Real sick. Sure, you wont die, but thats not the point. If enough people get sick, hospitals will be overfilled, busses wont drive, teachers cant teach etc. In short, everything will collapse due to the amount of people who are sick in their beds. That forms a potential danger if at some point you dont have any trucks with supplies driving to refill your walmart. Or when your walmart simply doesnt open anymore because all the employees are sick.

They are trying to prevent that. And I personally dont see anything wrong with that.

And talk about making vaccines mandatory is sickening to my libertarian sensibilities. "Let us inject you with something for your own safety" is just about as bad as precedents can get.

May I remind you that vaccinations have erradicated almost every dissease that would have killed you 100 years ago? And that not taking any vaccinations causes a serious health risk for yourself and the people around you?

[Btmangan]

Originally Posted by [lexus]

May I remind you that vaccinations have erradicated almost every dissease that would have killed you 100 years ago? And that not taking any vaccinations causes a serious health risk for yourself and the people around you?

No... it is simply a health risk to Yourself. The Government doesn't have the right to make decisions like this for people.

If the danger of mutation is really so bad that even people with the vaccine will be vulnerable... then the vaccine isn't doing shit anyhow.